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hello

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and welcome to episode number 31 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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for those tuned in to more recent

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developments within the field of ufology

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there is a clear recognition that the

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conversation has moved in some

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surprising directions

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what began as an assumption that we were

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witnessing the presence of spacecraft

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being piloted by extraterrestrials has

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evolved into a much broader conversation

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that involves interdimensionality

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potential crypto-terrestrials and

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ultra-terrestrials

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consciousness control the manipulation

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of space-time

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and much more in many ways one could

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argue that what began as a conversation

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singularly about the potential

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visitation of visitors from some

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far-flung star system

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has evolved into a discussion about the

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nature of reality itself

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the implications that arise from the

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so-called ufo phenomenon

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really are that far-reaching and

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paradigm-stretching

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interestingly though this kind of

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deep-seated soul-searching

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is not unique to the field of ufology

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as it turns out other fields of inquiry

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are experiencing

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similar upheavals while the often

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psychology

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are facing these challenges the

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so-called hard sciences

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are certainly not immune either while

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the outer reaches of psychology

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often termed parapsychology for that

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very reason

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are trying to make sense of human

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capacities that apparently violate

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our notions of space-time altogether

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here i speak of various categories of

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esp telepathy precognition

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physics is grappling with equally

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baffling notions such as retrocausation

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where the future seemingly causes the

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past or at least

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where the arrow of time seems to operate

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equally well

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in both directions contrary to

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everything we've understood about the

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nature of reality

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tellingly several astute observers

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including pioneering researchers

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like dean raiden of the institute of

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noetic sciences

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have noticed striking parallels emerging

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between these various fields of

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inquiry specifically raiden and others

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have noted that the interconnected

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fabric of

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information that underlies the field of

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quantum mechanics

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bears remarkable similarity to the kind

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of fundamental structure that seemingly

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to phenomena plotted along the psi

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the essential question that arises from

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these fascinating observations

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is this what does this apparent

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crossover tell us about the nature of

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ultimate reality

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clearly what we're seeing here is

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evidence of a level of reality

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that is more informational and symbolic

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in nature

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and it is this substrate of reality that

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ultimately gives rise to what we

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the realm of matter and energy

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in what way are human beings operating

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at this informational layer one that

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apparently exists beyond the constraints

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of space and time

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as we had traditionally understood them

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when we send messages to each other

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to see into underground bases in the

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furthermore in what way does this

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help to explain some of the more bizarre

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elements of the ufo phenomenon

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here we speak of events such as when

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people are passed through solid objects

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or when alien intelligences are

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apparently able to read the minds

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of abductees contactees and even see

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into their futures

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or how an alien species is able to

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traverse the immense distances

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involved in interstellar travel with

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the convergence of the fields we've just

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fundamental nature of reality

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that are arising as a result is the

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subject matter of this

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the 31st episode of the point of

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a couple of episodes ago i mentioned how

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i like to go back and forth between the

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micro and the macro perspective

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when it comes to the ufo phenomenon and

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larger questions about the nature of

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in this podcast i'd like to zoom back

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take us to the macro perspective again

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talk about some of the crossover between

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fields such as ufology

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the crossover really is telling us

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something fundamental about reality

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and the fact that we're seeing such

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similar kinds of phenomena

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arise in all three fields is remarkable

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and definitely telling something we

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should definitely be paying attention to

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so let's discuss some of the phenomena

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we see arising in each of these fields

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let's start with ufology one of the

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things that has been observed time and

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is human beings being passed through

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physical walls and

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human beings being levitated and

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supposed aliens passing through walls or

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even dissolving

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entire walls of a house so numerous

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beings can walk in

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so structures we think of as being solid

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seemingly are not for these others how

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if a human being was piloting such craft

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would be crushed

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g-forces would be overwhelming how are

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these aliens

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doing this now even if they are being

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piloted remotely that there's no actual

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beings inside the craft they are still

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performing maneuvers that defy our

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they seem to almost operate within

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parapsychology

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familiar with these terms than others

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telepathy first of all is mind to mind

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none of our normal sense organs are used

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it's knowing the future ahead of time

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you're cognizing about something that

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is picking up information that is not

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available to you so again remote viewing

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protocols when we speak of remote

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include psychic spies so-called

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and even remote viewing which again is a

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information can supposedly be picked up

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regardless of how far away something is

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outside of space-time altogether and yes

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telekinesis which is the manipulation of

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through pure intention through mind

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direct intention specifically that you

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can change matter in the physical world

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finally let's consider the revelations

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that arose in quantum physics and i say

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arose because this happened some time

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ago in fact many of the original

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observations that gave rise to the

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amazing revelations of quantum physics

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came about in the early 20th century

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so we've spent the next 100 years trying

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to grapple with these revelations

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trying to reconcile them with our

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classical understanding of physics when

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it comes to the quantum level of reality

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which is the very small

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scale of reality it seems like

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probability distributions

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hold sway rather than specific yes or no

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on or off one or zero kind of

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in other words something can be both a

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a decision actually get rendered and

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resolve into one thing or another for

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or a particle now even though i just

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in all three of those fields where we

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see striking crossover

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in terms of the manipulation or

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distortion of space-time

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sometimes the seemingly irrelevance of

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space-time altogether

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and we also see non-local effects in all

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cases what's striking is that many many

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people in all three of those

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fields will simply ignore this data for

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instance in these sciences

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even though we've had the revelations of

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quantum experiments

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for over 100 years now many people will

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still either explain this away

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assume it only works on the micro scale

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of reality which kind of is a silly

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argument to make because it's still

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there we still have to account for it

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or they just hope that some way it'll go

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away someday

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in psychology the size spectrum

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experiments have also been

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done many many times and we find these

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real effects

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this significance really shows up over

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and over again

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that people really can know the future

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that people really can telepathically

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communicate with each other

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that psychokinesis where the mind really

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can affect the physical world

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all that has been documented time and

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time again

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by different researchers around the

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world and yet

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mainstream psychologists even are

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embarrassed by these results by these

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experiments because they want to be

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taken seriously

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by the other sciences so many again

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ignore it explain it away or assume

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sometimes that fraud

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is involved now speaking of parallels

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in the same way that psychologists are

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embarrassed

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by parapsychology we see something

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similar with ufology

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where nuts and bolts ufologists are

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embarrassed by

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the more psychological spiritual

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energetic

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aspects of the phenomenon that shows up

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in the data time and time again

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they would rather focus on nuts and

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bolts craft

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physical vehicles that are in our sky

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supposedly being piloted by

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extraterrestrials they'd rather leave it

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there

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because that's something that can be

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measured it is hard data that we can

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show to other scientists in other

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fields and hopefully get this field

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taken more seriously

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nevertheless the data is there there's

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much more than just

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physical craft in our skies although

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that is part of it

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but there's huge psychological effects

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there's huge psychic effects as

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valet and others have brought to our

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attention many many times

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and this seemingly goes back decades in

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fact many suggest

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that this may be a phenomenon that has

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been going on

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since time immemorial in other words

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what we're seeing

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is modern day experiences similar to

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akin to what our ancestors ran into

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when they encountered beings that have

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been long forgotten

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in the lore of distant history

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now while we have an impressive body of

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data

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when it comes to contact slash abduction

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experiences

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between human beings and these non-human

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others

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much of that information is admittedly

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anecdotal

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we do have physical aspects that show up

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scoop marks

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implantations things like that bruising

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sometimes healing

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nevertheless much of the information is

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anecdotal

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but this is where we can look to these

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other fields and

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see where we're seeing similar effects

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similar phenomena

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arise as i said phenomena that seemingly

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violate our assumptions about the way

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that reality is supposed to work

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and if we can see it happening there see

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how it's documented there

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then that gives us confidence that these

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anecdotal accounts

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really are touching on something real

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let me give you an example of the kind

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of data i'm talking about

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the kind of rigorous experimentation

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that has been done

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to demonstrate that this aspect of

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reality really is

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real i mentioned the figure of dean

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raiden

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he's been a pioneer in this field in

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looking into the psy phenomenon

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and he's done experiments that have

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demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt

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that this

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is real that these effects are real that

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they can be replicated

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just like any other kind of scientific

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experiment

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indeed other researchers have followed

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up his experiments

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and come to the same conclusions let me

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give you one example of a kind of

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experiment he did

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this one was to test whether or not

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human beings really do somehow

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pick up the future in other words they

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recognize something that's going to

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happen

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sounds crazy

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it sounds absurd and yet we have data

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showing this is indeed the case

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data that's very difficult to argue with

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because it's been through rigorous

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controls

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in thorough scientific environments

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the specific experiment i'd like to

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bring to your attention is where

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a series of images were pre-loaded on a

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computer system

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and then randomly at the very last

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minute the computer system would

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randomly select one

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of these images to present to a human

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being that was watching a screen

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again none of the researchers nor the

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subjects involved in the study

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knew what the next photo would be of

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even the computer didn't know it was a

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function that randomly picked an image

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right before it was shown

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some of these images were calming and

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some were

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more startling what was interesting

448
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is human beings showed bodily reactions

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just before the images were shown

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so let me make that clear even before

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the images showed up on the screen

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the human body would show effects

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suggesting they knew

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exactly what kind of image was going to

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show up in other words

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if it was a startling image then their

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body

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their somatic response would show that

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through things like pupil dilation

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and skin conduction and this happened

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just before the image came on the screen

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this was the case both for calming and

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startling images

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that different responses arose and this

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happened time and time again

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for subject after subject this tells us

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somehow

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even before we can cognize it before we

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can think about it

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something in our body in fact numerous

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aspects of our body

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know this is going to happen we somehow

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on some level

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now just to be clear from the

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perspective of scientific materialism

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which is the world view the paradigm

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that holds sway in western civilization

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today

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these kinds of events are virtually

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impossible to explain

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for instance with parapsychology and the

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kind of experiments i just described

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we're only supposed to be able to obtain

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information through our sensory

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apparati are hearing are seeing

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are smelling things like that and we

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should never be able to obtain

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information

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about the future that just doesn't jive

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with scientific materialism whatsoever

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now speaking of scientific materialism

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something else it really

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wrestles with trying to explain is

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consciousness

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which of course is probably the most

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important thing in the world you could

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argue

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if we weren't conscious if we didn't

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have awareness then we wouldn't be

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experiencing

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anything science wouldn't exist nothing

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would exist in terms of the endeavors we

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engage in to try and understand reality

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consciousness of course is essential to

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understand

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if we really want to claim that we

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understand reality at all

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and yet scientific materialism cannot

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explain

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consciousness you'll get a kind of

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promissory note that says

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one day we trust we'll be able to

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explain it through purely physical

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processes

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of a warm wet brain

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and yet that hasn't been the case so far

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in fact they're not even close

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there's really no working theory to try

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now very quickly i'd like to give you a

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picture of how reductive materialism

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thinks about reality i want you to

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picture a pyramid

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and on the root level of the pyramid the

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first layer you have

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physics just above there moving up in

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this pyramid you have chemistry

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then biology then psychology and then

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finally

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consciousness so from reductive

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materialism's point of view

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consciousness is merely an epi

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phenomenon that is

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a secondary effect or byproduct that

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arises from but does not

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causally influence a process in other

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words

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consciousness is merely a byproduct of a

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hot wet brain

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from a biological machine that's been

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put together by the sort of random

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firings of an evolutionary process

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that's the way that

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scientific materialism looks at the

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arising of consciousness

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that it's basically meaningless beyond

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that very

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limited role now what dean raiden would

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like to suggest

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is that the phenomena we see in

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parapsychology

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and quantum physics and such suggests

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that there is actually a layer

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below physics and while some people

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complain when they listen to raiden

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saying listen we'd have to rewrite

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all of the textbooks throughout history

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describing how reality works

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what raiden says is no we don't actually

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have to

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most of it's correct that what's amazing

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about

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science is that it has been remarkably

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capable

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of making predictions about reality that

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we can

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hold to that are trustworthy it's

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develop the modern world

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all he says we need to do is take

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consciousness

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which reductive materialism assumes is

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an epiphenomenon

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that arises at the top of the pyramid

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and put it at the very root

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if consciousness is primary and from

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there

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you have the arising of physics and then

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chemistry and then biology etc

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then everything makes sense in fact the

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very kind of phenomena we see

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in parapsychology quantum physics and

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even

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in the ufo phenomenon would be

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completely expected

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if this was actually how reality was

585
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,630
so let's talk about some specific

586
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,880
examples that describe how this vision

587
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,159
of reality that

588
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,240
people like raiden put forward where

589
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,360
consciousness is

590
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,000
primary and that below the physical

591
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:17,840
structure of reality you have a more

592
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,960
informational or symbolic aspect

593
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,720
how that could actually give rise the

594
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,400
phenomena we see

595
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,400
in the ufo phenomenon and in

596
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,760
parapsychology and in quantum physics

597
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,120
let's start with something like

598
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:32,960
psychokinesis which again

599
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:36,159
is where mind impacts the physical world

600
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,120
directly

601
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,520
just by intending with our minds we

602
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,760
somehow change the physical world

603
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,520
for instance through spoon bending that

604
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:45,919
would be an example

605
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,960
now we know already with quantum physics

606
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,159
that consciousness is what seemingly

607
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,080
collapses the wave function

608
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,559
that decides whether something ends up

609
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,640
being a particle or a wave

610
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,919
that before that it's just a

611
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,000
potentiality of both

612
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,039
but consciousness the intention of

613
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,400
someone observing

614
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:09,280
is what actually makes that become one

615
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,480
or the other

616
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,799
in other words consciousness is

617
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,480
impacting reality

618
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,480
is impacting physical reality well when

619
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,679
you think about it

620
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,240
that's exactly what psychokinesis is

621
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:22,080
it's that same experiment that double

622
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,039
slit experiment

623
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:26,480
scaled up or somehow the intention of an

624
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,200
observer

625
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:29,039
consciousness itself is somehow

626
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,430
now let's discuss another phenomena that

627
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,799
would arise

628
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,640
if really this is how reality is put

629
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,400
together

630
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,760
earlier on we talked about abductees

631
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:48,880
contactees coming into contact with the

632
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,320
others and learning about their future

633
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,640
somehow these others know things about

634
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,360
our future

635
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,679
how can that be the case and it goes

636
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,960
further than that

637
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,919
sometimes people when they're in contact

638
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200
with these others they're in that

639
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:05,120
alternate realm that alternate state of

640
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,320
consciousness

641
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,960
sometimes they just come into contact on

642
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,600
their own

643
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,679
with a larger sense of who they are

644
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,840
including their future

645
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,240
how could this be the case and even

646
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,000
beyond that let's take it outside the

647
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,440
ufo phenomenon

648
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,039
even people who have near-death

649
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,799
experiences report this

650
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,640
they sometimes will know things about

651
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,159
their future

652
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,520
how is this the case well again

653
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:32,159
if reality the one that we usually move

654
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,799
through

655
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:35,120
in our day-to-day lives in this 3d plus

656
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,159
one world

657
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,880
is actually a hologram then this gives

658
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,080
us the illusion

659
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,799
of the arrow of time meaning moving from

660
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,360
past to present to future

661
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,679
now an advanced non-human intelligence

662
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,000
could look at the

663
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,880
hologram from any angle any perspective

664
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:54,799
and by looking at the hologram

665
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,520
at different angles you see what to us

666
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,960
would seem like our past

667
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,600
present and future when you move through

668
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,600
the hologram in a certain way

669
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:06,159
a certain finite way you only get one

670
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,640
image

671
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,799
after another after another but if you

672
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,799
see the hologram in its totality and you

673
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,000
can

674
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,679
navigate around it and see it from

675
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,440
different angles then you're going to be

676
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,679
able to access what we would consider

677
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,840
the past the present or the future

678
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,200
because again really

679
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,200
it's all one thing it's just the way

680
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,120
that we happen to

681
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,960
navigate through that hologram that

682
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,400
gives us the illusion

683
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,400
of the arrow of time and of our

684
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:32,240
experience of moving from the past to

685
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,750
let's talk about another data point

686
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,600
within the ufo phenomenon

687
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,600
that makes almost zero sense from the

688
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,799
perspective of

689
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,960
mainstream science but that makes

690
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,600
perfect sense when you see the reality

691
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,640
where consciousness is primary

692
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:53,840
and there's a substrate of informational

693
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,440
symbolic kind of coding below the

694
00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,600
physical structure

695
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,960
now astrophysicists balk at the idea

696
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:05,200
that alien intelligences could be

697
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,080
traveling

698
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
the vast distances involved in

699
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,600
interstellar travel

700
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,400
they balk at that because even if you

701
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,720
had spacecraft approaching the speed of

702
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,279
light or even at the speed of light

703
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:20,240
the time frames are so immense because

704
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,039
again

705
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,960
the distances involved are so

706
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,799
astronomical the different

707
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,440
galaxies and star systems are so far

708
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,960
apart

709
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,919
now if there's an informational symbolic

710
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,559
aspect of reality below the physical

711
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,559
and if consciousness especially if it's

712
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,799
resonating at a high enough level

713
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,520
is able to directly manipulate that

714
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,840
quantum level of information

715
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:46,240
then you could have a species that is

716
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,880
able to

717
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,760
almost instantaneously move from some

718
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:50,960
distant galaxy

719
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,480
to here because they are not using

720
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,320
mass they are not actually moving

721
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,000
physical spacecraft

722
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,039
rather they are manipulating the quantum

723
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,200
information the informational layer the

724
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:05,600
coding layer of reality and in that

725
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,240
sense

726
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,200
they only manifest the mass of a

727
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,400
spacecraft

728
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,480
when they manifest in our physical

729
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,320
reality here on the earth

730
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,279
and in that sense suddenly that vast

731
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:18,640
interstellar travel

732
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,549
on previous podcast episodes i've

733
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:26,159
discussed different stages of

734
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,120
consciousness

735
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,520
different developmental levels that both

736
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,559
individuals

737
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,440
and human societies go through and i

738
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,120
also discussed how

739
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,480
these stages all within the first tier

740
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,440
tend to reject and completely want to

741
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,720
supersede

742
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,039
the paradigm the worldview they're

743
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,559
replacing

744
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,799
so when we had the scientific revolution

745
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,080
as much as it was

746
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,720
hugely beneficial to humankind and

747
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,559
brought about the modern world we all

748
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,400
exist in today where we have

749
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,640
much longer lifespans where we have

750
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,760
modern technology

751
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,320
where we have much better healthcare

752
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,520
nevertheless

753
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:06,159
part of the casualty of that revolution

754
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,120
was our loss

755
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240
of the information from distant lore

756
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,400
all of our deep spiritual traditions

757
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,080
were largely rejected by

758
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,080
scientific materialism they were

759
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,520
rejected as

760
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:20,159
not referencing reality in any way

761
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,039
whatsoever

762
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,279
it was assumed that those traditions

763
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,880
were working on a kind of magical

764
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,520
thinking

765
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,640
that wasn't based on reality

766
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,399
yet what we're seeing and what we're

767
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,760
describing today

768
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,360
sounds a lot like some of what was

769
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:35,200
described in some of those ancient

770
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,399
traditions

771
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,720
you think about the akashic records

772
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,600
which is supposedly referring to some

773
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:44,559
informational layer of reality that can

774
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,880
be

775
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,039
accessed through practices like

776
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,880
meditation for instance

777
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,799
now that sounds an awful lot like the

778
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,000
informational layer

779
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,159
at a quantum level that we're talking

780
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,870
and this is a good reminder to each of

781
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,200
us that when a new paradigm comes online

782
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,000
when we discover

783
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,640
new aspects of reality what we want to

784
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,760
do ideally

785
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,480
is transcend and include the previous

786
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
paradigm

787
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,080
the old truths don't suddenly become

788
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,600
completely irrelevant

789
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,919
it's more like a spiral that expands

790
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,960
ever outward

791
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,120
where we have more information but it

792
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
still contains the previous information

793
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,679
so transcend and include that's

794
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,559
essential

795
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:26,880
for us to have a more holistic view

796
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,399
about reality

797
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,679
and now i'd like to leave you with a

798
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:33,760
couple of concluding thoughts

799
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,039
first off let me offer this quote

800
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:39,520
consciousness is a singular of which the

801
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,159
plural

802
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:44,080
is unknown i wonder who wrote that was

803
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,200
it perhaps a poet

804
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,360
was it perhaps a new age guru living in

805
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,399
san francisco in the 1960s

806
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,559
no in fact that is a quote from a man

807
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:53,520
named erwin

808
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,679
schrodinger who was a quantum physicist

809
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,240
in fact he is known as one of the

810
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,880
fathers

811
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,630
you see schrodinger who was one of the

812
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,679
pioneers of the very quantum experiments

813
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,960
that i discussed earlier understood the

814
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,919
implication

815
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,200
he understood that consciousness must be

816
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:19,200
primary that's the only way to make

817
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:19,679
sense

818
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,720
of the data now the quote i offered

819
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,360
earlier

820
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:26,320
was partial the full quote goes like

821
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:26,880
this

822
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,840
quote consciousness is a singular of

823
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,080
which the plural is unknown

824
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,399
there is only one thing and that which

825
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,000
seems to be plurality

826
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,720
is merely a series of different aspects

827
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,240
of this one thing

828
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:43,520
produced by a deception the indian maya

829
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,960
as in a gallery of mirrors unquote

830
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,520
so interestingly here schrodinger is

831
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,200
referring to one of these ancient

832
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,960
spiritual traditions

833
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,360
and saying that whenever we have duality

834
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,960
whenever we think we're separate from

835
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,760
each other

836
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,960
or from grey aliens or anything else we

837
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:03,520
are deluded that actually everything is

838
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:04,159
one

839
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,960
and consciousness is primary

840
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,120
and this revelation sheds light on the

841
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,799
reason why i assume

842
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:15,279
highly advanced alien species in our

843
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,919
midst

844
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,840
will be coming in a spirit of

845
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,679
brotherhood sisterhood

846
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,559
cooperation peace because they would

847
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,360
recognize

848
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:26,240
much more than we simple primitives do

849
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:26,559
that

850
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,200
separate one entity from another

851
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,919
to hurt another entity another species

852
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,000
is to ultimately hurt yourself

853
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,320
because all that ultimately exists is

854
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,200
the capital

855
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,480
s self capital c consciousness

856
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,559
where everything is entangled where

857
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:46,720
ultimately everything is revealed

858
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,760
as different aspects of the very same

859
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:55,110
and on that note we've come to the close

860
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,240
of another edition

861
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:59,039
of the point of convergence podcast as

862
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,679
always

863
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,919
let's keep this conversation going and

864
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,120
growing

865
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,200
but until next time friends from deep

866
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,720
within the blue ridge mountains

867
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:10,000
of north carolina this is exo academian